Like i say in previous post, i have set ordering to alphabetic,
My manufacturers seem to list alphabetically but the actual models dont.

i have looked into the position numbers aswell, and its seems to be using the number order but in an odd way

The models i have added with position numbers eg 1031, 1111, 1112 etc are higher up in the drop down list than the already installed models which are numbered 353,354,355 etc

i suppose manually changing the numbers is possible but will take forever if loads of models have been added,

just wonder why the alphabetic aint working right